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Josh Rosenfeld's avatar

How is the new order any different than the old order? We didn't send our troops into Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968. When we intervened in East Asia and Southeast Asia in the 1950s and 1960s, it didn't go particularly well, and the China we were facing (explicitly in Korea, and implicitly in Vietnam/Laos/Cambodia) didn't have a real nuclear deterrence and was largely equipped with obsolete weapons.

The manner of the message in this case may be shocking to some, but it seems far more like an acknowledgment of reality than a real change in American policy. And it is well and good for Europe and Japan to point to the implicit benefits to the US, but: (1) the fact remains that we have subsidized their defense since the end of World War II; (2) with the debt we have racked up doing this while also maintaining our own 1930s and 1960s era social programs and fighting wars across the globe, we are in a world of hurt; (3) we turned a blind eye to the rise of China for far too long, and are now in second place in a race that we may not be able to win; and (4) because of all of the above, we may no longer be in a position to protect our own interests and subsidize the protection of everyone else's.

Are we a good friend? Maybe, maybe not. But even assuming that international relations are akin to friendships (dubious, but we'll roll with it), good friends tell you the harsh truths that you need to hear; not platitudes that you want to hear.

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Demian Entrekin 🏴‍☠️'s avatar

You ask "are we in for a new period in which might openly makes right?" I assume this is meant to ask "are we going back to the period where might makes right?"

The so called world order has always been ruled by force, and Europe is surely no exception. This includes periods of peace.

I'm a consequentialist when it comes to politicians. I largely ignore their words and focus on the consequences. "What have they done?"

Hindsight also shows me that nothing is what it appears to be, and big changes take a long time to unfold. Reagan raised taxes 11 times. Clinton deregulated the banks. Nixon cleaned the polluted air.

Our tribal narratives are particularly misleading. We should ignore them.

So I will say this: nothing truly significant has happened yet regarding the so called world order. It's all mostly words. Theater.

The 2020 Abraham Accords agreement seems significant, continues to unfold, and does not get enough coverage in the US. This could be world order stuff.

We should recognize what we can and cannot control. Otherwise: Wait. Watch. Listen.

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