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George Talbot's avatar

This is unrealistic. Both the speed of light limit and the cost of moving a large mass over light years precludes notions of "invasion by aliens". Think of the vast cost of moving something like a spaceship able to carry enough aliens and equipment to prove a danger to civilization here.

An analogy with Apollo might help. It took a rocket the size and weight of a skyscraper to send a craft the size of a VW Beetle to the Moon. The amount of energy required to get HERE from THERE when the distance is light years, in some meaningful time, is unimaginably more than going to the Moon. And you have to carry half that energy with you to STOP when you get here!

Wouldn't there have to be overwhelming benefit to undertake this? Moreover it may not be physically possible in our universe to do so.

What exactly would such putative aliens want when they got here that would be worth that expense? Our solar system isn't particularly unique, beyond having living things on our planet?

The Three Body Problem is excellent science fiction, but also is a brutally depressing world view. Not sure that we should be ruled by it.

Moreover, as usual to make the story work, the author has to have the McGuffin of faster-than-light travel, which does not exist in our universe. Without FTL, the whole story falls apart.

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James Reid's avatar

I remember hunting quail as a boy of twelve with my father and a friend of his who had a boy my age and dogs bred and trained for the purpose. The key to success was the dogs. Without dogs the birds would move through ground cover well ahead of the advancing front of the hunters without need of taking flight. With dogs the birds could be brought to ground, holding their position in complete stillness, with the dogs frozen in point, until the advancing hunters were practically on top of them before exploding as a covey from cover in a heart stopping whir and blur for which one was never adequately prepared.

Every time I hear discussions of the desirability of advertising our presence to aliens I think of hunting quail and how their most basic instinct was not to break cover until their discovery was a certainty. There relevant world was significantly composed of things they might eat and things that might eat them.

If the laws of physics are universal, and chemistry is built upon those laws, it seems probable that the Darwinian model of biological possibilities might have relevance to speculation as to the sociobiological nature, behavior, and moral propensities of sentient aliens. Presuming their development to have been guided by something similar to our own gene directed evolution, adjusted of course for their own particular corner of the universe, we would do well to approach the however unlikely prospect of contact with extreme caution. As has been pointed out, contact between a technologically advanced culture and one of less technical advancement rarely works out well for the latter. If representatives of an alien culture were able to reach us, their technical superiority would be assumed. That they may be presumed to have more advanced moral sentiments is a different matter.

If our putative aliens are sufficiently advanced they may have moved beyond our postmodernist world view of human perfectibility or have skipped that stage altogether. We have developed according to the imperatives of genetic survival and one may be forgiven for not seeing those imperatives in abatement. Humans are built on a predatory model as vehicles for genetic continuity. As social animals our selfish genetic interests are advanced by altruistic propensities which give mathematically predictable advantage to strong kinship relationships. Our gene selfish interest is further advanced by the degree that culture becomes inclusive, that ‘us’ expands to include ‘them’ to the extent that the world becomes safer from externalities as a regulated theater for genetic competition. It may be argued that morality, or the propensity for moral behavior, does not extend beyond intragroup dynamics, however much that group may be expanded by an overarching cultural ethos. But however well ordered, to the advantage of those best adapted to that order, life remains exploitive. We eat to live. I cannot think that aliens would not be guided by similar principles.

The speed of light remains a traffic law that shows little signs of being repealed. But what if our aliens were, as refugees from Troy, or as the spinoffs, the second sons and second daughters, of a culture that had reached the limits of expansion, were on a one-way journey in huge ships capable of sustaining complex colonies over trans-generational periods of time, capable of processing for sustenance materials encountered in its perpetual wanderings, like giant sharks gliding amongst the stars. They might be imagined to launch their own spinoffs gestated from expanding populations and intergalactic debris. A planet like our own might provide a welcome respite and timely reprovision. Relations with the natives…

The quail were delicious.

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