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Ray Prisament's avatar

Well reasoned, but I fail to see much difference between a version of Effective Altruism stripped of its many flashy fallacies down to just its insightful core and... plain old fashioned altruism? Maybe there is some aspect of being pickier about what projects you support but that concept is just like good governance, it doesn't need a whole name brand movement.

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Andrew Wurzer's avatar

Great piece, both in recognizing things we should keep and areas where EA goes astray.

I'm a little emotionally reactive about EA (and utilitarianism in general); I feel like the movement is basically a continual mantra of "you're not good enough" which tends to upset me. So take what I say below with that in mind.

One of my biggest frustrations is that I feel like EA smuggles in the idea of *what is moral* under the idea that they are simply talking about how *effective* one's altruism is. It's not "Effective [Altruism as Defined by You]." It's "Effective [Altruism as Defined by Us]." So it seems innocuous; who could argue with the idea that we should try to avoid inefficiency in our giving?

But by "efficient" they mean achieving quantitatively more good of the type they favor. If I favor donating to a local music school that provides scholarships for poor students who couldn't afford either lessons or instruments, they don't really care if I do that effectively or not; the goal itself is a waste because I could "so much more good" by donating the same amount of money to, say, mosquito nets. Go mind your own business I don't have to do *your* idea of good. It's not *immoral* for me to decide to give in a different manner, any more than it's immoral for me to decide that there *is* a difference between a child drowning as I walk by and a child dying of hunger 10,000 miles away (there is a difference, and it has to do with knowledge of the context and the solution, the extremely short timeframe over which the intervention takes place, the total lack of intermediation...and on and on; there's a difference and it's not small, and the fact that an EA thinks there's not simply indicates to me how distorted their premises are).

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