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If a fairy appeared promising to solve climate change, would you take her up on it? Nope, they wouldn’t. That’s the most brilliant summary of the Environmentalist problem I’ve ever seen. Twenty years ago, our #1 climate enviro, Bill McKibben, voted not to eradicate black flies in his small town because suffering from them kept people in touch with the natural world. Same attitude.

But you never touch on how to solve that, and seem to think explaining a rational approach will do some good. I got into the climate fight from 2005 to 2017, and I’m sorry to say that no rational explanation will have any impact on that crowd. But at higher levels some do better.

This is why I wrote my other comment, saying that with your help we should apply effective altruism here in the Persuasion community. We could do better if we all put our heads together. Here’s an example of how I did this once before by building a little community with friends.

While all of your suggestions are basically good advice, you miss the biggest problem — Altruism itself. That could almost work in some advanced EU countries (except for the fairy & black fly problem). But climate is a global version of the tragedy of the commons. Every country realizes that their efforts make so little difference that they are better off letting others solve it.

That problem is so well known that lefty Nobel economist Joseph Stiglitz was writing about in 2006. In my 2008 book, Carbonomics, I proposed a slight improvement on his way of solving that problem, then recruited a couple of better known friends and we organized a book with 12 authors, including three Nobel Prize winners and published Global Carbon Pricing: The Path to Climate Cooperation in 2017 with MIT press. It’s been cited 180 times. Nonetheless it failed. Climate cooperation is a very nasty problem.

The Paris Conference in 2015 also failed, because it was so in-tune with your suggestion #3, “To what extent will the proposed action lead to backlash?” that the agreement has no teeth at all (hence no backlash) and allows every country to virtue signal and then cheat — it depends solely on altruism.

Probably the most often performed experiment in the social sciences tests the tragedy of the commons (the public goods problem). At first the players are surprisingly altruistic. But they notice some are shirking and soon they are all playing cutthroat. I’ve actually spent time in Köln, where Axel, one of my friends working with me on this, is Director of the Cologne Laboratory of Economic Research. We ran experiments on this and our hoped-for improvement.

The trick to international cooperation is reciprocity. I will commit and contribute if you will. That was almost possible in 2008, but now politics is so polarized nationally and internationally, that the chance is slim indeed. Yacha, this is why you should apply effective altruism to the Persuasion community. It’s the right community to work on the most important problem which you studied in Identity Trap.

If you want to read a very short intro to these ideas, we published a short piece in Nature shortly before the Paris Conference.

https://www.nature.com/news/polopoly_fs/1.18538!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/526315a.pdf

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David's avatar

The silliness of the French outdoor heating ban is compounded by the fact that France produces seventy per cent of its electricity from nuclear. The only reason to ban outdoor electric heaters would be if there were a power shortage. This could happen if France continues to send power to Germany which has shut down its nuclear reactors in favor of intermittent wind and solar (actually Russian, Emirates and American natural gas, of course.) We should stop subsidizing intermittent renewables and subsidize nuclear.

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